The life and work of Charles Darwin have provided a tremendous input for our understanding
of the creation, maintenance, and transformation of life on Earth. Today, scientists like Dan Burisch
are making new discoveries in the evolution of species, formulating new theories around this topic,
and designing experiments to gain knowledge about the manifestation of physical life on our planet.
    Below are several cases, events, and discoveries which have provided WTTU with inspiration
to ask Dan Burisch some of the questions in the interview above. These pieces of evidence do not
form complete theories, but merely present fragments of knowledge which can assist us in looking at
the big picture of the evolution of life on Earth.
    To start, it is important to mention that there have been 5 mass extinctions on Earth before
now: Cretaceous (about 65 million years ago), Triassic (about 208 million years ago), Permian (about
245 million years ago), Devonian (about 360 million years ago), and Ordovician (about 438 million
years ago). It is currently believed that we live during the 6th mass extinction. The current rate of
the extinction of species on Earth is as high as it was during the dinosaur extinction. For more
information, see Linda Moulton Howe's news releases on this subject at her website (
http://www.
earthfiles.com/). The following are the current worldwide statistics for life facing extinction (http:
//news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3667300.stm):

- 1 bird in 8
- 13% of flowering plants
- 1/4 of all mammals
- 50% of amphibians

    The evidence that human beings were here prior to primates can be found from archeological
sources: golden chains encased in coal measured to be 260-320 million years old, iron nails in rock
breed at least 387 million years old, and human bones found to be fossilized in rock 286 million years
old. These are just a tiny glimpse into some discoveries made in archeology that have really stumped
researchers. See Michael Baigent's books for more details. In terms of human remains with significant
height variations compared to modern humans, more information
can be found at
http://www.stevequayle.com/.
    Following are some more details from Michael Baigent's research. In 1969 in Texas Stan Taylor
discovered a set of human footprints among an area well-known for many dinosaur footprints. Also
lots of cave art throughout the world portraying dinosaurs of various species. Professor Amaniyazov
from Turkmenistan discovered in 1983 human footprints in rock breed esitmated to be 150 million
years old. 1922, John Reid discovered human SHOEPRINTS in Nevada left in rock 213-248 million
years old. Also, shoeprints have been found in Utah which are estimated to be 505-590 million years
old. These are discoveries that have never been claimed to be hoaxes or the work of charlatans...
they are just quietly kept in basements of museums, far away from scientific journals, because they
threaten all our careful theories of primate-to-human evolution.
    Evidence of humans coming from space to Earth is well-documented over the past 100 years
in works by people like Erich Von Daniken and Robert Bauval, based mostly on myths, legends, and
religious/historical traditions worldwide. Some of the details can be argued, but overall, many of the
world's cultural traditions portray ancient visitors from space who gave knowledge and civilization to
specific cultures worldwide.
    The interbreeding of men and animals is a more esoteric subject and WTTU's knowledge of it
comes from beings who have a broader view of things here on Earth. According to information
uncovered from Himalayan sources, it was a big problem with Lemurians (who did it unknowingly,
since they were not fully evolved humans yet) and Atlanteans (who did it with full knowledge of the
consequences), and this has marked us until today, which can be seen in our societal fear of
genetically altering animals.
    The possibilities of human existence are vast. It has been said by a certain Ascended Master,
known as the Master of the Key, that if the highest potential of humanity was the Sun, the typical
person on Earth holds only a thimbleful of light, but even that is already a great deal - it is
revolutionary.
    When a human being completes the planetary set of experiences outlined in the Kabbalah
and the Tarot Deck among others, as well as similar systems like the I-Ching, they are given a choice
by the Higher Beings: go forth and explore the Universe, or come back to Earth to help mankind.
    Right now, many beings who have ascended their Awareness past planetary evolution are
coming to Earth and are being born as humans, as well as doing various forms of more temporary
extraterrestrial visitation. That's why any attempt to create an artificial power structure imposed on
everyone, be it MJ-12 or the 5 Councils of the Illuminati, or any number of groups of people, is
impossible. Lemuria and Atlantis fell, and so did Rome, and so has the American Empire. Order will
come naturally in a way summarised by the quote "think globally, act locally".
    The lineages of transmission of Sacred Teaching on Earth are thousands of years in the
making, and they are the sacrifice of thousands of years, thousands of bodies, thousands of cycles of
existence! The harmony of the One is Unified, so its the whole cosmos that sings the verses of God.
    The Ascended Spirits said that those here on Earth who are Beacons of Light and Workers of
Peace must listen to the Sacred Teachings and accurately transcribe the knowledge that will set
people free, as in prior ages. Hearing the call, the servants of the Universe stationed on Earth set to
work.

26/02/09
Vishvasattva: Dr. Burisch, what is the future of biodiversity on Earth? Are we
effectively in the midst of a Mass Extinction event, the scale of which has
been matched only by five other such great extinctions (Cretaceous, Triassic,
Permian, Devonian, and Ordovician) throughout the Earth's history? What do you
believe is the future of the evolution of species on this planet?

Dan: To the issue of a Sixth Mass Extinction...

I am on record indicating that I am persuaded by evidence that we have likely
entered such an event. While the mathematical attributes may be
argued...against...for instance...whether this is a fluctuation within what may
be ultimately termed part of background extinction...I think we have certainly
seen enough to begin immediately pointing ourselves (policy wise,
internationally) to protect as many affected (or potentially affected)
dependent and individual species/genera. To refuse, in my opinion, is to
abdicate any notion of the honest stewardship of humanity within this biosphere.

Now...the question of where "things go" is a loaded one...and I have every
confidence that you "know it."  In the spirit of "thinking globally and acting
locally", I should suggest this...

We...the perceived physical living matter...are known to share something in
common: the genetic code. This "code," this system, is a balanced act (an
agency) through Beauty. In that Beauty is found an attribute of supersymmetry.
See "A Supersymmetric Model for the Evolution of the Genetic Code" by Bashford,
Tsohantjis, and Jarvis; PNAS, Volume 95, Issue 3, 987-992, February 2, 1998 -
an already decade's old reference!

Speaking within the borderline of Metaphysics - and my chosen professional
field - as the question kindly asks "...what do you believe is the future of..."

As God is as immutable as internally decided within Unity, so too we will find
that the expression of patterns within the biota of the planet, will continue
to follow the progressive allowance of variation (including being witness to
dissipative structures over many scales)...through a combination of both
gradual evolution (phyletic-type) of living species, via Natural Selection, and
through a couple heretofore fully unrealized mechanisms which "look like"
saltation. The late Stephen Jay Gould did an excellent job at attempting to
qualify (and where he could, "quantify") a phenomenon he and Eldredge termed
"Punctuated Equilibrium," where a variant of Mayr's geographic (really
allopatric) speciation, was proposed as a mechanism to describe what they (in
my opinion) presented as an answer to what appears (superficially) as saltation
over the fossil record. (Speaking in geometric terms, mostly as metaphor: where
Darwin would have presented a "cube" {for instance} as an answer to Evolution,
I believe that their answer is most closely a rectification (then...for these
purposes....a "cuboctahedron"), where, rather, the answer will be found in
truncations. Why a truncation, rather than a rectification? Nature, in her
Glory, has built in chaotic components, within defined ranges {depending on the
component}, we see as "probabilities" and even what has been termed as the
"drunkard's stagger." Decision making (whether under observable "volition" or
not) remains on the organismal level, within the Adaptationist paradigm,
whether or not we can define what we think we see as a "Species or Clade-
Individual". That said, the determination of "Selfish Genes" as being
"fallacious" may be an act of ignoring impinging attributes from the
"conscious, life field" in which everything is bathed.)

What will be, on a defined issue, may be set within probabilities, within
defined conditions, but what will be will remain unknown until it unfolds.

That said...and (I know) what a mouthful...

...while the distribution and types of organic lifeforms are undergoing
constant appearance of change...through a type of "pressured chance"...this
extinction event, whether later determined as "Mass" or "Background" will
almost certainly leave active organic life, on this planet, once it has reached
and passed its apex.

The diversity will change (depending on what type of organism we speak) by
number, range, distribution with associated organisms. We see species occupying
niches, left open by changes in distribution of other species. It's all quite
natural, whether or not we factor in anthropogenic pertubations. (We are no
more really separate from the grand scheme of the biota of this planet than
gametes from a sexually reproducing organism, (See: Biospheres, by Dorian
Sagan), or the Oceans, in all reality, from the fluids which occupy our bodies!
(See: Hypersea by McMenamin and McMenamin)

The question remains - will we be found, in nearly our present "configuration,"
tredding water, among its wake? I have the sense that the answer to that
question resides in a feature we so proudly expound on a daily basis: our
decision making ability. That daily hubris will pale under the category of
stewardship, either to our successful competition or ultimate demise (or
significant faster "change").

Vishvasattva: The consequences of Darwin's discoveries have led to theories
about the relationship between humans and primates on Earth. Various
discoveries in the fossil record suggest that human beings (physically
identical to modern people, +/- size) have been on Earth before any primates
were here. Furthermore, evidence suggests the first humans came to Earth from
space. Finally, there is no convincing archeological evidence for the aptly
named "missing link" between primates and humans, suggesting that humans did
not evolve from primates (and there is also some evidence that primates are the
result of interbreeding between animals and men, contrary to the Divine Law).
Any thoughts on this issue?

Dan: Thank you for the question, and the statements which followed it. I would
strongly argue that the stated present biological relationship between humans
and primates is less now attributable to Darwin's Theory than it is to hard
evidence by Homology. That said, I am open to whatever actual evidence may be
shown in contravention to the presently accepted "theory." Scattered bits of
evidence, with question of proper control and provenance, does not a theory
make.

"A theory is a metascientific elaboration, distinct from the results of
observation but consistent with them. By means of it, a series of independent
data and facts can be related and interpreted in a unified explanation." - Pope
John Paul II (Pontifical Academy of Sciences, 1996)

Vishvasattva: Discoveries in sediment layers from 13,000 years ago indicate the
occurence of large extinctions of animals and plants in less than a single
season during that time. Evidence suggests that some animals were frozen almost
instantaneously, with food in their mouths and undigested food in stomachs, and
that some were thrown about by a strong force (indicated by unusual spinal
deformations in the animal remains throughout certain regions). Is this type of
cataclysmic event linked to the Precession of the Equinoxes, and is it on the
forecast for our planet during the current period of Earth changes?

Dan: I have heard about that evidence, but who is to say that the animal died
naturally? I interpret the occurrence about which you write, concerning that
time period, the extinction of many megafauna, to have a good summation here:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/stoneage/megafauna.html.

Three hypotheses...no great answers...but...asking only rhetorically...why look
on it all from a negative perspective? Think of the birth of languages
(
http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/2006/1809514.htm)...

I am extremely concerned, at this moment, that the present
atmospheric/hydrospheric carbon loading, so-called Global Warming, is going to
tip the oceanic circulation, thermal distribution, to an event triggering a
temporary "intra-glacial cycle" event, mimicking a cessation of the present
inter-glacial period.

Vishvasattva: What can you say about the 'anachronicities' of human-related
findings within the geologic record on Earth, such as fossilized tools and gold
jewelry found in rock strata dating to hundreds of millions of years in the
past as well as human remains and footprints dating in some cases to billions
of years in the past? And what about the human skeletal remains, personal
items, clothing, and tombs found worldwide, where the people buried would have
to have been 9 feet, 10 feet, even 22 feet tall?

Dan: Not all of such material is without provenance, and that which is not,
does not necessarily have to have come from the past.

Vishvasattva: Dr. Burisch, what is your opinion on the the theory that humans
have been cloned and recloned on this planet when "hard times hit", for example
during the Great Flood 13,000 years ago, when waves several kilometres tall
washed over all the continents? Are you aware of any locations on Earth where
such cloning could have taken place?

Dan: Ovid recounts (
http://www.livius.org/fa-fn/flood/flood4-t-ovid.html),

"[253] Already had he toss'd the flaming brand,
And roll'd the thunder in his spacious hand,
Preparing to discharge on seas and land,
But stopp'd, for fear, thus violently driv'n,
The sparks should catch his axle-tree of Heav'n.
Remembring in the fates, a time when fire
Should to the battlements of Heaven aspire,
And all his blazing worlds above should burn,
And all th' inferior globe to cinders turn.
His dire artill'ry thus dismiss'd, he bent
His thoughts to some securer punishment:
Concludes to pour a wat'ry deluge down
And what he durst not burn, resolves to drown."

In the context of your question, define "cloning". Do you mean a true clone
(
http://library.thinkquest.org/28599/cloning.htm)?

[Interviewer's note: the term "cloning" was used incorrectly in the question
posed by me according to the modern scientific definition of cloning. I meant
the manifestation into the physical of a genetic template for human beings born
onto the Earth. There is evidence that this template has been altered several
times throughout the history of Man on planet Earth, which may account for
height variations in unearthed human remains and changes in the human genome
during the course of time.]

Vishvasattva: Dr. Dan Burisch, your research into the origins of life as well
as work by Niles Eldredge and Stephen Jay Gould suggests 'punctuated
equilibrium,' where species on the planet appear spontaneously and already
formed into specific configurations allowing them to be alive. This seems
contrary to Charles Darwin's gradual natural selection theory, which postulates
that life evolves gradually and manifests forms only in response to changing
environmental conditions. Yet, both of these phenomena are visible throughout
our world (we see several unique configurations of lifeforms as Elderedge and
Gould predict, and many small variations within those configurations as Darwin
predicts), so how do we reconcile these views with each other and with your own
work on Lotus and other projects, which demonstrates spontaneous generation of
life in a previously sterile environment?

Dan: "Lotus," as far as we can tell, is neither form of Spontaneous (Equivocal)
Generation: neither heterogenesis nor abiogenesis. Anagenesis has its
problems...mainly gene frequencies seem to follow cladogenesis rather than
phyletic change over a population, yet there is gradual
change...microevolutionary processes. It's a question of scale.

Natural Selection is a real thing. On the whole it functions through the
Malthusian process of overproduction of young, with variation among individuals
of a species - with some allowing higher fitness, and with individuals of
positive variations gradually making up a greater portion of a population.

If anyone looks into the fine work of Stewart Kauffman, one will quickly find
that Natural Selection has been inappropriately assigned, by various
individuals, to Life Origins. The panoply of life is rather attributable to
autocatalytic networks, Fitness Landscapes, Natural Selection, and historical
accident.

We presently feel that Lotus may be either an effusive process, linked to an
"origins related" autocatalytic mechanism, bearing the hallmarks of a universal
constructor/copy function, yet still linked to original univocal generation,
and/or the fruits of a microtechnology, whose horizon we can just now see...as
one possible causation of metasystem transition.

Vishvasattva: Dr. Burisch, I have a final question for you tonight. I am a
young, energetic, intelligent, and inspired researcher into the frontiers of
human potential and cosmic knowledge. You have had a distinguished career on
the frontiers of human potential and cosmic knowledge. So, why am I doing this
research alone from my apartment, and why have you only recently been liberated
from the chains of secrecy and from being a political prisoner? This work needs
to be done through globally connected, professional, and peaceful institutions
so that there can be peer review, industrial applications, and so that people
like me could get a paycheck. So, what is wrong here? What is the future for
innovators and discoverers on this planet?

Dan: The older I get, the less that I am sure that I know. It just so happens
that Marcia and I were near an old haunt of Albert Einstein's, during the week
which celebrated a confirmation of his mathematics through the famous e=mc²
(simplified equation)...and we bought a refrigerator magnet with it on it,
which I presently have setting in front of the WONDERFUL birthday gift she gave
me (the signed EM ultrastucture book by Rhodin). At times, I look up at that
magnet, and often times look at it as I walk into the office (from where I now
type), and wonder - NOT BAD FOR A "PATENT CLERK"!

Look, of course there should be greater cooperative effort in studying the
larger (and some smaller) questions...but we'll get there. While on the way
"there" we ought not think of ourselves too much in the grand scheme, as while
I regard our souls to be most certainly eternal...that being our core
essence...a lot of the excess energetic baggage we carry...added on to our
personalities as a result of physical experience...I regard as ephemeral. Our
ultimate answers will be found in our core truths...but those core truths don't
amount to any singular, one of us, while slow dancing in the "mortal coil."

Maybe we chose to have happen to us, what is happening? (That's why I will not
relinquish myself to having been a victim of anything.) What if, that is how
the Eternal, through what we are graced to perceive as individuality, has
chosen to experience, as an ever unfolding act of Creation?
INTERVIEW WITH DR. DAN BURISCH - PART 5 (CHARLES DARWIN'S 200TH BIRTHDAY)
    Dr. Dan Burisch, Ph.D has described himself as a professional microbiologist, former J-9 for the
Majestic (pro tempore placed in the Globalist Seat), Treaty Negotiator, and H-1 for Disclosure.
    Dr. Burisch was a Senior Operative/Scientist responsible to the Committee of the Majority and
the Majestic 12. During the 1991 Gulf War, he was assigned to a Black Ops Unit, and was deployed
into the International Coalition's Zone of Operations for the purpose of counteracting a rogue military
unit's intended application of unauthorized biological warfare agents against the Iraqi Army. Dr. Burisch
experienced hand-to-hand combat after his helicopter was hit by enemy fire and crashed. After his
return, he was ultimately assigned as "Microbiologist V" at the Papoose Lake Facility (S4) and
operated as a Working Group Leader on Project Aquarius, where his responsibilities included leading
scientists in investigating the neuropathy of a future human lineage extraterrestrial entity (a
descendant of Earth humanity from 52,000 years in our future) known as a "J-Rod". Such
investigation included being introduced into a Clean Sphere containment unit and interacting directly
with the J-Rod, then processing, evaluating, and transforming tissue samples for reintroduction into
the J-Rod with the intent to ameliorate that entity's pathology (
http://www.danburisch.info/).
    Upon the adjournment of the Consistory of the Majestic 12 in 2005, Dan Burisch received
orders to tell the world everything he knew from his work with future human lineage extraterrestrial
entities and to publicly disclose the information learned by him during his tenure at Majestic 12 in
order to benefit Humanity, the Earth, and All Beings during this crucial time for our civilization.

Majestic 12 members as of adjournment in 2005 (
http://www.danburisch.info/):

J-1: Vice Admiral John 'Mike' McConnell
J-2: Richard B. Cheney
J-3: Porter Goss
J-4: Admiral Bobby Ray Inman
J-5: Henry Kissinger
J-6: Zbigniew Brzezinski
J-7: General Richard B. Myers
J-8: Sir Kevin Tebbit
J-9: Carol Ann Thatcher (succeeding temporary assignee Dan Burisch)
J-10: Alan Greenspan
J-11: Harold E. Varmus
J-12: E. Kelly

    I, Pavel Tkalitch, have interviewed Dr. Dan Burisch for Welcome to the Universe in the public
discussion forum available on the website run by Dr. Burisch and his colleague Dr. Marcia McDowell,
Eagles Disobey (
http://www.eaglesdisobey.net/). I am now posting selected unedited text from my
discussions with Dan Burisch to do my part as a member of this civilization for the benefit of
Humanity, the Earth, and All Beings. For more information, please go to the Eagles Disobey website
or visit Project Camelot (
http://www.projectcamelot.net/) for more interviews with Dr. Dan Burisch.
    This is Part 5 of the interview between myself, Pavel Tkalitch, using the handle "Vishvasattva"
and Dr. Dan Burisch, Ph.D, using the handle "Dan". This interview took place on the occasion of
Charles Darwin's 200th birth anniversary, February 12, 2009.
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pavel.tkalitch@welcometotheuniverse.com
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